Sunday, May 20, 2012

 

Sunday Reflection: From the Razor Mailbag!


After the response to our piece last month on CNN about Trayveon Martin and the February piece I did there on abortion, I expected a reaction to yesterday's piece on gay marriage. Well, I got it-- over 6,000 comments, more than 11,000 Facebook recommends, and over 200 emails from people who took the trouble to track me down. I'd like to share with you some of the good, bad, and ugly from the e-mailbag today.

But, first, I just want to say... much of this response makes me extremely grateful to work at St. Thomas and with colleagues like Teresa Collett. Teresa, I am sure, completely, certainly, and wholly disagrees with me. Yet, she does so in a way that is Christian, loving, intelligent, well-informed, and principled. More than once, she has come to me with a disagreement, and has been right... and I changed my mind or corrected a careless statement.

And now, the mailbag. (I will use only first names here, and have included verbatim excerpts).

This message came to me from Kenneth, who echoed many other writers:

You are NOT a Christian. That's easy to see. You said, "[t]he reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith," yet Jesus said, "go and sin no more," to the woman caught in adultery. (John 8:11).


Interestingly, dozens of writers pointed me to one of my favorite verses, John 8 (where Jesus condemns a legal execution). Of course, as regular readers know, I find it very odd that the lesson people draw from this is that we are to go around telling people to "go and sin no more." That only works if we put ourselves in the person of Jesus. How arrogant is that!?! I am not God. We are clearly the people with rocks in their hands, who are being taught by Jesus-- and being taught that we can have the moral authority to cast stones only if we are without sin (and none of us are). Perspective matters, and we are the sinners, not Jesus.

More pointed, and less nuanced, was this friendly note from Daniel:

You should keep your mouth shut, you are causing real Christian to look like total idiots. The Bible says you should abstain from the mere appearance of evil.

You have done the opposite. I feel sorry for you. All this to make a name for yourself, maybe a book deal or what??

You should just come out of the closet and admit you are a pervert that wants to engage in a same sex relationship or have you already?? Again don't tell me, I don't really want to know.

You sound like someone in denial or a laden homosexual trying to find a way to justify what you lust after. God doesn't not hate people but sin, you seem to have forgotten that.

Sex has a purpose, reproduction. I mean this isn't hard to figure out. This is impossible between two men or two women. I'm pretty sure the reproduction process requires two different sets of plumbing.

Therefore the sex act between two men, sodomy is not a natural act and is immoral. And we've got AIDS for it that we all have to deal with now. I hope you get fired not for hurt or harm to yourself but for the damage you are doing poisoning young minds with you ideology that is so queer.

You have perverting the teaching's of Christ, you got it all wrong. You are an offense to every born again believer and to God Himself!


JJ, like many others, seemed to miss my reference to Leviticus in the article:

I would implore you to retract your article, if you are truly a Christian how can you say your faith approves gay and lesbian marriage when gods word says the following > Seriously, do you even read your bible??

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."


Andy wrote the following anti-Catholic screed not only to me, but to the administration at my Catholic law school, which is a little confusing (sorry, guys!):

The word repent means a lot more than what by nature you have been conditioned to believe. And when you do repent you will learn that you are not a Christian and a follower of Christ but rather a follower of an image of a false god and false Christ (Matthew 24:24). You will also learn that Peter was not the ‘rock’ or the first Pope. There were no Popes for more than four hundred years after Christ’s death. We encourage you to read the article ‘Popes and the Princes of This World’ listed on our website and after you do your research please do advise us of anything that is not true what has been written.


Tony sent the shortest note:

idiot!


In addition to a suggestion that I be thrown into a lake of fire by a writer named Patrick, there was this from someone of the same name:

Mark,

You're an asshole...not a Christian. I figured someone that is honest should tell you. Now you know in case you were confused.

God bless,

Patrick


Got it! However, there was also grace and support in some other notes, like this one from Marilyn:

What a beautifully written piece on the sanctity of the sacraments and that none of us may deny them to others who freely choose them for themselves. As a heterosexual, Roman Catholic Christian, my response to fellow Christians who have attempted to gain my support for legislation against gay marriage is that our sexual orientation is biological and as such was determined by God; who are we to question the wisdom of God's creation? No one has ever debated that position with me. Your opinion piece citing Scripture comes across as even more accepting and loving. Well done!


This came from Debra:

I am gay and I have always believed in the words of Jesus, but never considered myself
Christian. The words you wrote for CNN were very moving and true. Although I do not
belong to a church I have never thought that Jesus would deny me for who I love and
your words reflect that very beautifully. Your analogy of the water being stronger than
those who wish to withhold it were wonderful.

I would proudly visit your church and shake your hand!


This came from a military officer (I have redacted it to protect his/her identity).:

Sir, after reading your CNN piece "The Christian case for gay marriage", I just wanted to personally thank you for your words. As an officer in the [United States Military], I have led many men and women who have experienced the discrimination you allude to in your piece, and would cite the recent dissolution of the DADT policy in the Department of Defense as a testament to what can be achieved by inclusion versus exclusion. As a father of two beautiful young ladies and as a career [military] professional, I am constantly looking for examples of character to display to my children and my men, thank you for providing me such an example.

And finally, my favorite, from Elle:

Dear Dr. Osler,
I was against gay marriage before reading your article. You have changed my mind. Thank you.


Dialogue is good, and even the harshest critics of my position often do so from a good heart... let that dialogue continue!

Comments:
My favorite bit: how Daniel's command of the English language seems to break down as his message progresses.

"You have perverting the teaching's of Christ!"
 
So interesting to compare the adjectives chosen in Marilyn, Debra's and Elle's comments with those from the other less complimentary...

I have often written, with as much as we have to accomplish in preparing "His Way" before the return of Jesus, God should send His Daughter (Abigail? - in Hebrew, a Father's joy) to earth - as it appears a more gentle, respectful and affirming example for our relationships and interactions with one another (a women's touch) would be a blessed example.

Professor, you are an inspiration to all who choose to live life each day in the "Lion's Den". As for the "lake of fire", I would grasp your hand this moment and be thrown with you - for the "waters" will NOT be held back and those fiery flames extinguished...

Thank You, for Being You!!!
 
I resisted the urge to defend you in the comment section. In part because this is one of my favorite things you've written. But you're brave and your piece is defense enough.

Of course today you focused in on exactly my complaint with nearly all the negative comments. They are so unflinchingly arrogant. But their vehemence exposes how vulnerable this issue makes people, just a bunch of raw nerves. Your example of compassion has and will continue to serve both sides of this of the debate. I need to remember this as we get closer to November. Thanks for the reminder.
 
Wow. Just....Wow. I am not sure I will leave my house today.....ck back with me tomorrow. Reallly??? There are people like this in this coutry and they live and walk among us?

Ps finally the truth comes out: You are most probably a "laden" homosexual. I don't know...i guess if i were you i would have to jump in that lake of fire....
 
"Laden homosexual"? Like a gay pack mule?
 
This isn't something I talk about in public much, but my husband and I are having fertility issues. Using Daniel's logic, I guess I should tell him to move to the guest room until we get definitive medical proof that we can conceive. Same goes for my mom and her husband, since she's post-menopausal.

I really don't know how you have the strength to read some of the hateful things that "Christians" decide to write. But do let me know when you decide to come out of the closet (since apparently anyone who supports gay marraige MUST be gay). Your coming out party will be fab!
 
From a respectfull point of view, is it desire to help guide another away from his / her sin(s) or a parent’s role to protect and prepare their children to come of age that motivates many to oppose gay rights (including marriage)?

In society that plays to our indulgences with offerings such as “Keeping Up with the Kardashians,” “Gossip Girl” and many more and web sites like pippasass.com and Giada De Laurentiis’ breasts – promoting self-indulgent, unrestrained gratification and visual pleasure (not to mention the sex and violence prevalent on screen and video) seems much more a threat to children and young adults than an acknowledgement as expressed by Marilyn:

”…is that our sexual orientation is biological and as such was determined by God; who are we to question the wisdom of God's creation? No one has ever debated that position with me. Your opinion piece citing Scripture comes across as even more accepting and loving. Well done!”

To those opposed to gay marriage, are Suze Orman’s books and cable programs to be banned because she married Kathy her co-producer? Are children to be sheltered from her advice, banned from watching “Ellen” and young girls instructed to avoid clothing labels of gay fashion designers? Inclusion of their advice and creations in the marketplace requested – exclusion of their presence from our gatherings, homes and churches often demanded…

Is it sin or protection? Protection from? Social media is here – to stay – connecting all in encounters and experiences desired, including those often unintended, undesired. A desire to be more and more socially connected undoubtedly connects us – each to the other.

God has said to all, including our gay brothers and sisters, “I am with you always. He does not exclude, dare we? On a day unknown, we will be asked that question. Why not step out from behind banner and verse and answer truthfully, today?
 
I know it's only human to judge, but it seems that a lot of folks out there want to judge you because you have an opinion that they do not agree with. Since I have stopped judging long ago, I would say their comments about you say less about you and more about them and their level of intellectual achievement. Let's just say there are a lot of folks out there who still have a long way to go in their mental development, their reasoning skills, and their writing.

I, too, am very proud of you and your article, and your willingness to stick your neck out for all of humanity, even the people who would despise you.
 
I'm not sure what or who I would fear more. The crazies from your past when you were in Detroit or the crazies that responded to your opinion piece on CNN.com ? Be safe my friend and thank you for your voice.
 
Jessica, you rock. Totally rock.

I can't bear to read all these comments, either, nor watch the pastor in North Carolina who's been on TV since yesterday, saying we should put all gay people in an electrified pen and starve them to death.

It makes me think about how often it's the case that, until someone has to face directly an issue he disagrees with--i.e. finding out his best friend is gay, or finding out your favorite cousin is a lesbian, or really any issue you've disagreed with--until it's too close to you to be ignored, it's easy to hate it.

I hope that's the reason behind the hate in that NC pastor's statements, and in some of the responses to the Prof's article. I like to think there is hope. And I also am reminded that I need to try to listen and hear those I disagree with, even though it's truly difficult. The last response cited is a wonderful ray of hope.

More musings . . . I wonder if all the anti-homosexual references in the Bible are in the Old Testament? That would probably be too neat . . . but certainly the New Testament's overwhelming message, to me, is love. And is an individual's relationship with God. Nowhere does it say that an individual's relationship with God is only for heterosexual individuals . . .
 
Nice post which This is impossible between two men or two women. I'm pretty sure the reproduction process requires two different sets of plumbing. Therefore the sex act between two men, sodomy is not a natural act and is immoral. Thanks a lot for posting this article.
 
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